Tuesday, November 8, 2011

Guns and RVers. . .making it easy to kill!

I’ve been RVing for more than 30 years and can probably count the number of people that told me they carry a gun in their RV on both hands and not use all my fingers. So you can imagine my surprise when a recent article in Trailer Life (October, 2011) claimed that recent market research indicates more than 70 percent of all RVers own a handgun for personal protection. I would like to see that research!

The article appears on Page 10 and is titled: Self Protection for RVers. It describes two products from Crimson Trace of Wilsonville, Oregon.

Several things concern me about this kind of reporting. First, I do not believe for a minute that 70 percent of all RVers carry a handgun. I’ve never met anybody in a campground or RV resort that told me they have a gun onboard. Now I’m sure several do and they would prefer not to advertise how they choose to protect themselves and their loved ones. But 70 percent? Never!

Is this responsible reporting from Trailer Life? The article doesn’t even quote the source of their statistics so we have no way of knowing if this information came from an editor putting the short piece together or if Trailer Life has done market research and is reporting on their findings. I would like to know where the number came from so we can validate it.

I question the responsibility of the reporting due to the nature of the products they are writing about. Crimson Trace makes a product called Lasergrips. The article states, “Lasergrips allow you to point your laser on the target and the shot will follow the red dot precisely, taking the guesswork out of threatening situation.”

IS THIS THE RV LIFESTYLE WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE? Is this the way we want to report on the joys of RVing? How many times have you wished you had a laser guide on your gun so you could blow somebody’s brains out in the campground? This isn’t something I’ve ever encountered in my many years of camping.

Why would Trailer Life even write about this stuff? If an RV prospect was researching the lifestyle and saw this article, do you think they would run right out and buy an RV? Or do you think they might seriously question the value of the lifestyle if 70 percent of RVers have to carry a handgun?

I suggest this is simply irresponsible journalism and Trailer Life must be struggling to find worthy news to put in its magazine. If I’m the crazy one here please enlighten me here.

Dealers – do prospects and customers tell you they carry a gun in their RV?
Consumers – do you in fact carry a gun in your RV?

I’d like to think the majority of people that enjoy the RV lifestyle do so because they can get away from the environments where having a gun may be a necessity.

I simply refuse to believe that 70 percent of today’s RVers are packing heat in the woods!



39 comments:

  1. Bob, most RV'rs I know carry guns either in the RV and/or vehicle. Those that boondock or dry camp in out of the way places, even those who Wallydock carry. The CCW (Carrying Concealed Weapon) classes in Quartzsite get larger every year with more and more instructors. While 70% may be a trifle high, I'll bet over 50% anyday. FYI, I am a retired police officer, firearms instructor and I do not advertise the fact I may carry, that is for the criminal to find out....

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  2. What about travel between campgrounds? Or the overnight stay in a parking lot along the way. The wrong turn that takes you to places that aren't so friendly or the breakdown in the wrong place.
    I think you live a sheltered life. God bless you and I hope you are never in a situation that requires protecting yourself and family. It only takes one time to make you a believer.
    Yes I carry a gun.

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  3. I'm not sure 70% is a realistic number but I also believe it is much higher than this person thinks. Reliable & honest firearm owners don't advertise that they have a firearm with them. No need. No problem with this article.

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  4. I am a single woman who happens to be a fulltimer. EVERYWHERE I go I have men and women alike advising me to carry a gun because they do...

    I think it is like you said and people just don't advertise to you that they are packing!

    Oh and the answer is yes I am.

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  5. I pack heat on vacation. Simple necessity in this world. Do it safely, do it legally.

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  6. 70% raises my eyebrows but it could be a credible number. But the "woods" are not the problem.

    My wife and I are new "almost full timers". Last year when we were preparing for our change in lifestyle, I seriously thought about personal protection. I am not a gun person, but neither am I anti-gun. While I feel sorry for those who live in fear to the degree they have to have a gun at the ready all the time, I am aware that this is still a dangerous world and any reasonable person needs to pay some attention to personal safety.

    I love the wilderness and what I fear most there is the possible results of my own stupidity. I try to be constantly aware that I am intruding in the living space of other creatures.

    When not in the wilderness, my chief concern are the crazies within my own species and there are a lot of them. RVers do not just encounter other RVers. There are non-RVers who see the RV and its occupants as a juicy target.

    I seriously investigated the pros and cons of owning and carrying a gun. Here's where I came down:

    Legally carrying a gun is an investment of about $1,000 and a lot of time. Shocked? Consider gun, ammunition, carry permits for two (multiple states), and safety training for two. Surveying the gun laws of several states convinced me that I could not drive any distance across state lines without violating someone's law, regulation, or prohibition.

    I decided that 51 different sets of laws, overzealous cops, criminal-justice systems that don't work very well, and a host of lawyers anxious to take my money to prosecute me and defend me in case of a Catch-22 violation that is sure to happen is a greater risk to time and treasure than a mugger or a bear.

    I opted for two cans of wasp spray -- one in my 5th wheel and one in my truck. Wasp spray because it shoots a stream to a range of 25 feet rather than a fog which is easily dispersed by the wind and is only effective at short ranges.

    Like my fire extinguishers, I hope I never have to use them but I feel a little safer having them nearby. Safety lies somewhere between paranoia and carelessness.

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  7. Are you that naive. We do live the life style to get away from the rat race but, the evil side of that race is coming out to us no matter where we go. If you read the papers now a days you will see numerous reports of campers and RVers either being robbed and /or attacked regularly, it rather scary but they think we are easy prey. When passing through the Canadian Customs, they told me one time that because I had Texas plates on my RV that I was undoubtedly carrying a guns. We don't advertise the fact that we carry weapons but they are there for emergency use to protect my home and family. I pray that I never have to use it but it is there should the need arise.

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  8. I also do not think that the % is as high as 70% for RVers carrying guns. I personally think that the RV life style is safer than living in a stick and brick home as most people looking for goods to steal are looking for homes that would have more items to sell!
    Trailer life needs to look for something more interesting to put in their magazine than articles about guns.

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  9. Bob, for the record, I do NOT carry a gun. The media has everyone scared. I just be careful where I go, and have never been in a situation where I felt I needed a weapon. Our reader surveys show that about half our readers do carry a gun.-- Chuck (editor, RVtravel.com)

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  10. I don't carry a gun either, and like Chuck, have never been in a situation where I wished I had one in over thirty years of camping. It is obvious that many more people do indeed pack the heat when RVing, many more than I thought, but the consensus here and on my industry trade blog would indicate that it is probably not as high as 70% either. Thanks for the early comments and great conversation.

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  11. I hear very few stories in the news of people who successfully defend themselves with guns when the dreaded occasion arises. I agree with John Drake's (from the 1960s TV series "Secret Agent") reason for not carrying a gun: "They're noisy and they hurt people."

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  12. No one is immune from crime and to think they are is just plain naive. Both of us are retired cops, and we've seen it all. And the media has got everyone scared for good reason. It IS really like that out there. I have read numerous stories of RV owners who were killed for some measly possessions. You forget you are dealing with people with no consciences. It is a jungle out there, but it isn't the animals we have to worry about-it is our fellow humans. And I want to come out of that battle alive. It is the world we live in now, like it or not, so we have to adapt or we won't survive.

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  13. I do not carry a gun and do not plan to carry one. The worst situation I've encountered while boondocking or staying in a campground is that of fellow campers making a little too much noise.

    I don't things out there are as bad as some would make them out to be, and if that makes me naive, I would rather be naive than so cynical or suspicious that I see everyone as a threat. I also know my limitations and know I could never use force against another. And yes, I've been in a situation where force was justified but could not follow through.

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  14. I have to agree with the other retired L/enforcement. I too am retired L/enforcement.. and I carry. I and my wife are full time.. one thing that I would like to point out.. "wasp spray" is an assault with a caustic Chemical...a felony in most jurisdictions.. I am an NRA Instructor for C.C.W., and the reasons to get and have a concealed carry permit are too numerous to list or explain... This is a very dangerous world and I would suggest that if you don't have any experience with firearms...GET TRAINING FIRST. When your are in an Rv you are most likely in a strange place, or remote.You will not have access to police, sheriffs or rangers..for extended periods [response time] in some cases hours... so while the "bad guys" have their way with your family...because they WILL be armed, you are forced to sit and watch.. or worse..be dead. You don't advertise being armed. You will learn that in the class. People that are against guns, ownership, and like to RV are and will be victims..some time..you don't know when or where...but it will happen. After 24 yrs as a Dep Sheriff in Arizona.I have taken reports that would make the average Rv'er cry... The persons that victimize RV'ers are ruthless, violent, and have no consciences... they can and most likely will kill you, if needed. I am not trying to frustrate your Rving just making you aware of why you need to protect yourself and remember the danger..park where there are other people close..or near..make sure you know exactly where you are, and who is in control of the area... Personally, I think everyone should carry.. it's like locks, it keeps honest people honest..

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  15. A very good read is found at www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm
    As a retired peace officer I am a sheepdog. There are many wolves out there and to survive and thrive you can't be a sheep. I don't carry in my rv simply because Canadians cannot possess firearms or ammunition in the U.S. unless you're hunting and have a hunting license.

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  16. I also am a retired cop, firearms instructor, and gun owner. I feel that it is important to be able to defend yourself if necessary. But resorting to a gun should be the last thing you do.

    You should first be aware of your surroundings. Is the area you are in safe? Are there any people around that don't fit in or are acting differently. Criminals depend on you being unaware of their setting you up for a crime.

    Next, if you have a gun, and have a threat that warrants you taking someone's life, are you prepared to do so and live with it afterwards. As a cop every fight you get in has a gun involved, yours. Can you pull that tigger? Can you hit what you are shooting at? And after you have killed someone, something that you will never forget, how is it going to change your life? I have known of people who just don't get over it.

    So having a gun is not the complete insurance policy some seem to think it is. You have to practice and you have to be mentally prepared.

    But most of all, keeping you head out of your butt and be aware of your surrounding is better than just toting a gun.

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  17. I too am a retired state trooper and do carry a weapon in my RV. I consider it as a last resort measure to protect myself, my family or another person in an emergency. I also do not advertise the fact that I am a retired cop or that I have a weapon. That would be an invitation for some low-life to break into my rig while I'm not home. Being aware of your surroundings is probably the best measure of protection. The person who boondocks in out-of-the-way places is asking for trouble. If you park overnight in a well-lighted, highly-visible and well-used spot, like a WalMart or commercial fueling location (Flying J, Travel America, etc.), you probably aren't going to have any problems. In today's world however, that is no guarantee and that is why I have a firearm with me. It's for that one case scenario where observation, care and common sense just don't cut it.

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  18. My wife and I do not advertise that we carry several weapons, both CC and locked in my RV's gun safe for the same reasons listed by others. In fact, I'd give anything to not be in a situation where I'd need to use them. Sadly, that is not the world we live in. It isn't a case of 'living in fear' but rather an acceptance of the randomness of our world, just like having an insurance policy.

    When I served in the Navy, one of my duties with the Security Force was as the 'Duty Terrorist'. My job was to find holes in the crews response to a security threat and plug them. The biggest one I noticed with new recruits was adrenalines effect on people. When people get scared, rushed and excited, they often can not maintain their 'sight-picture' and neutralize a threat effectively.

    With a tool like a Crimson Trace on a handgun, that gives a focal point for the victim to concentrate on, instead of their fear. My big concern with them is that users fail to look at their firing picture beyond the target being lased.

    Basic security helps prevent a potentially life threatening situation, (good lighting, camping with friends or a group, securing your doors & windows, owning a dog) but when someone is determined to break into your home/RV, you will want every tool to help you protect yourself and your family. A weapon with a laser sight is just another tool for protecting yourself.

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  19. Ask an NRA member to allow you to read his/her NRA magazine. Every month a full page of recent news articles from across the country showcase citizens defending themselves, their families and innocent strangers in harms way.
    I would venture a bet that 70% is a low number and in today's world to venture off the beaten path without some sort of protection is naivety at its finest.
    Honest law enforcement folks will tell you that when you call 911, you are asking for a stenographer to report the details of the crime you just experienced against you. Nothing against law enforcement, but they cannot always be there in 10 seconds flat.
    I have a CCW permit mainly because I refuse to be a victim with no way of protecting myself.

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  20. The comments here are very interesting. But after reading them I wonder how many of you who commented, who carry firearms, have ever needed to use them. In the time you've had them with you, have they saved you from harm? -- Chuck Woodbury, RVtravel.com editor

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  21. I "carried" for the first 2 years. Then decided to leave it at home and took a baseball bat. I felt so uneasy when we stayed in "far away & remote" places. Put it back on the coach, along with the BB bat. Don't ever want to use it, but knowing it is there "just in case" is a safer feeling. Also, I do not carry a 357, 45 or any high caliber. Just a simple clip loaded 22LR. Yes, we will be very close if I ever use it.

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  22. Reading this article has certainly shown me just how many rv'ers are naive. Regardless of whether it's sticks and bricks or a home on wheels, evil exists. Yes, we should check out things before we park, and anything else we can do to secure ourselves....but, wouldn't u rather have help and not need it than the other way around? I get so upset with the anti-gun folks claiming guns kill people....no, people kill people using guns. I have carried for too many years to remember (legally of course) and have had only one occasion where I thought I was going to have to use it. Fortunately when the lowlife's saw it, they decided to look elsewhere to hurt someone. They departed with my blessings and thankfully my daughter and I were safe. Had I not had it, the results would have been much different. Walt, I feel especially sad for ur family if u have one...the sheer fact that u would be unable to protect them is truly sad. Each person has to make this decision for themselves but I refuse to be a victim.

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  23. For all of you LE (law enforcement) folks out there, first, thank you for having served in a VERY difficult occupation! Thank you for putting your lives on the line to keep the rest of us safe(r).
    But you aren't the ones I worry about who are armed for "protection." You have had training on looking at the backdrop of any shot, of assessing the actual threat level, of assessing whether deadly force might be justified, and all the other factors that SHOULD go into the decision of WHICH of many WEAPONS TO USE (lights? talk/intimidation/fear? pepper spray? baton/night stick? Taser? shotgun? pistol? rifle?)! In fact, I kinda like having y'all around in campgrounds because you know how to evaluate anxious situations and take proper action.
    I can agree with the women that travel armed because I know how men sometimes believe women aren't much threat (but PLEASE, ladies, seek training on not just how to aim and pull a trigger, but on how to evaluate a threat, and when it is likely safe to shoot without hurting innocent bystanders. BUT err on the safe side -- yours!)
    What convinces me NOT to carry one/some of my weapons is, first, that I haven't been trained for mano a mano situations myself, and, second, I believe I would tend to pull out the deadly force first, knowing myself. I also know that I don't always know the backdrop -- I REALLY don't want a 9mm slug of mine going through a wall dozens of meters away that I don't know about! And this is what worries me about all those NON-Law Enforcement John Waynes out there with the .44 mags and .357 mags (and .38cal, 9mm, 10mm, .45cal, etc.) who seem to believe that lethal force is just fine to use confronting anyone who looks even remotely suspicious -- or who decides to shoot through their door at someone who has an emergency who is knocking the door at 11PM! Anything bigger than a .25 or .35 cal pistol bullet, or about #10 shot, is likely to go through at least one RV sidewall and perhaps more. I don't want one of these walls to be mine.
    I have killed people (by aircraft, Viet Nam), and I have been shot at; I can assure you that neither is something you really want to do. I'll bet most LE folks would agree.
    There are many ways to convince intruders to stay/go away: (#1) calling the law enforcement folks (even out in the boonies); keeping a clear, visible, defensive perimeter; lights; cameras; alarm systems; manual sirens; confrontational voices from cover (e.g., outside speakers while you are still protectively in the RV); bear/pepper spray [I wouldn't use wasp spray because you have to actually AIM it; in the heat of the moment, I WANT a cloud that I don't have to aim!], and a host of other things that almost any law enforcement person can suggest to you.
    Yes, I am actually MORE concerned about the "armed (non-LE) RVers" than I am about the bad guys! I believe that 99% of the (most often unarmed) RV-approaching bad guys are properly scared of what they are doing (and can be dealt with) -- and 98% of the (non-LE) armed RVers haven't a clue, despite any NRA (marksmanship) training!
    No, I'll stick to my own non-lethal defenses, thank you!
    Tom Hargreaves

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  24. One of our readers had trouble posting a comment this morning so I am doing it for him. He makes some excellent points here and is now concerned about buying an RV - his first!

    From S.M. Jenkins:

    I clicked on the link to the blog by Bob Zamami. I agree with him and his sentiments. I typed the following paragraph on the blog but it would not accept it, saying I had to have my own blog. I do not blog, but I think my opinions matter. I am one of those prospective RVers who has never RVed but have been researching the subject in anticipation of getting one some day. I was quite shocked when I read the 70% and am beginning to have second thoughts about RVing. What kind of people am I getting involved with? Though I have never RVed, I have traveled by car quite a lot and never needed to carry a firearm. The comments I wanted to post on the blog follow:

    I have been reading this newsletter regularly for several months as I research RVing in anticipation of one day getting an RV. I will admit that when I read the 70% statistic a while back, I was really shocked. It leaped out from the usual text about the great outdoors and enjoying the fellowship of RVers, etc. Nothing before had prepared me for the comments I have read here. Yes, I had seen mention of "carrying," but had thought it would be more representative of the general populace. This makes it sound like RVers "carry" to a much greater degree than the average US population. And the Texans who casually mention that Canadian Border Agents assume that all Texans carry firearms on their RVs ignore the fact that it is VERY SERIOUS if Canadian Border Agents find firearms on your RV.

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  25. Everyone has their own opinion on firearms. As for me, if some low life wants to hurt me or my family then they get what they deserve.

    It's been described as a jungle out there. I'd rather be in a jungle with the wild animals. They react, generally, in predictable manners. Where as the human animal is as unpredictable as all get out.

    Yes it is important to get training in evaluating a situation and how to use your firearms. And before it is asked Yes, I carry. I've also had training in firearms safety and threat evaluation and I have a Concealed Carry Permit. No I don't advertise this information. The only ones that need to know are myself, the training officers, my family and the low life's that are bent on attacking me and mine.

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  26. We are currently motorhoming in Mexico. It is nice and warm here, and I wear short sleeves in full support my right to bare arms.

    But kidding aside, we have met a LOT of American RV'ers who have guns with them when they travel. I think it's because so many people are ex military or ex law enforcement. And we're Canadian, so we think it's kind of odd. But 70% of all RV'ers? Maybe not ALL, Rv'ers, but 70% of retired RV'ers is possible.

    www.travelwithkevinandruth.com

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  27. My husband and I are RVers and we both have a LTC concealed. That being said, after talking to local law enforcement and reading the book on transporting guns across state lines with the different rules for each state, we opted to not carry it with us in the RV. We will stick with pepper spray. However, if we were in an evacuation situation, then I would change my mind about my protection options.

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  28. Upon the advice of a LE friend I choose a pump 12ga. with the shortest legal barrel available. In a stressful situation one has to be very skilled to hit anything with a handgun. The pump shotgun has a sound that would give one pause as a round is being chambered and the ner do well who is trying to enter the RV. Still there --a round of no. 8 thru the skylight might change the intruders mind -- coming inside no. 4 shot -- followed by 00 buck. Our main plan is to avoid risky areas.

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  29. I guess living in a state where gun ownership and hunting is just a way of life I am not the least bit surprised that RVers are carrying. None of my family members ever go into the woods for a hike, fishing, camping and of course hunting unarmed. I have neutralized 4 critters that upon being tested were found to be sick with rabies and were coming at me. We always have weapons with us including bear spray which I might add we have used twice to break up fights between domestic dogs at campgrounds and boondocking. I might add that every one of my kids go through firearms training before they do any handling of firearms. Both my wife and I go through the classes with the kids. I do not advertise any of this but will continue to carry. Besides we actually have hunted in every state with have camped in including 3 provinces of canada.

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  30. This discussion is futile. It doesn't matter that we are talking about RVs, this same discussion has been going on for decades.
    To those who say they could not harm another person, I am sure you would be quite thankful if I showed up when someone was about to take your life and shot the @&@ for you.
    Would you feel the same if your family was harmed and you just sat there on your hands and watched it happened?

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  31. My husband and I both have CCW's and travel with firearms. We do not share this fact while travelling, nor do we demonstrate any appearance that we are armed. HOWEVER, we do not carry any weapons when travelling in Canada - because we are law-abiding, RESPONSIBLE gun owners. We follow all state laws regarding guns and, our guns are appropriately secured when required. This is a dangerous world and after retiring from the Michigan Dept. of Corrections I am VERY AWARE of just how many VICTIMS have been affected by crime and criminals. In fact, Michigan has an early release program which is going to ENSURE that there will be even more victims. As the economy stays stagnant; felons (and potential felons) stay UNEMPLOYED; drugs stay ever-present - there WILL BE victims. And, while we are not paranoid - just releastic - my husband and I want to have every available advantage to NOT become victims!! Our personal property can be stolen and replaced; our lives and the emotional damage inflicted upon victim-survivors cannot!!

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  32. We carry whenever possible. With a CC I feel "pretty legal" but do not feel safe crossing into Canada so leave the handgun home when doing so. Has anybody dealt with the border crossing issue? My understanding is that a violation carries severe penalties. FYI, in Canada, we carry a Canadian purchased spray that is capable of "knocking down a moose" at 25 feet.

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  33. Full time RVer for the last 7 years and going on. I'm also a retired Police Officer and Army Officer. I have a weapon with me and have carried one for several decades.

    I'm also a student of human nature and those who happen to be deviants of same. In the case of having a firearm I tend not to say anything about it. That goes to the park management and most anyone we meet casually in our travels. Those folks may just be asking who is the easy mark for them to apply their predatory nature. Should they decide that I am an easy target I prefer them to find out on my terms not theirs. Not everyone you meet is a threat but at the same time not everyone is not a threat. Given the ambush tactics preferred by human predators I prefer to be equipped to deal with the situation. There are folks who know RVers have money and nice things because they can afford to buy a nice RV and travel. They also tend to be older and weaker, making them easy to prey on. While not often in the news you do hear of some campers or RVers who became victims. Unfortunately some became permanently dead because of it.

    I am a firm believer that preparation is half of the operation of life. It is far better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Back when I was much younger I was also prepared to take more chances on being able to take care of myself with a more vigorous method. Now due to the advance of years and the rough road I have traveled, I know I cannot do so any more. I cannot do the same job against one who wishes me harm so I need a tool to maintain my life and the life of my wife.

    As to the "responsible journalism" bit in the blog here. Is it responsible journalism to put fear of an object as your focus and aim the article to support the authors agenda? One of the nice things about this country is the freedom we enjoy. Gun owners, as long as they are not prohibited persons, have the freedom to enjoy the shooting sports. Because they are RVers does not require they forgo their hobby or their means of protecting themselves. They do not require that everyone else live like they do and have a firearm, but they, and myself specifically, request those who do not want a firearm not try to force that decision on others. Freedom means making a decision for yourself, not forcing others to accede to your desires.

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  34. Re: personal carry, I will say only here that I absolutely do carry in my tow vehicle, in my trailer, and on my person in every state except IL. I would NEVER discuss this fact, nor indicate what is where or how stored in person, but have heard plenty of others comment, so I know I'm not remotely alone in being armed.

    No, I don't *expect* to need any of my protective hardware and more than I expect to use my fire extinguisher, but I'm much more relaxed (and NOT paranoid!) knowing that I will be able to handle what I COULD handle, and anything beyond my ability to handle is just that -- not a failure of preparation or thought, but an overwhelming thing.

    RE: defensive usage: I have THREE TIMES been accosted and needed to reveal my non-sheep status. Happily, all three times, palming a holstered grip had a calming effect on the predators. But, even outside of those "direct" usages, I have had people comment on my outgoing and calm demeanor, which again I suspect has a little to do with NOT fearing anyone I meet -- the good ones never need to know I'm armed, and the bad ones can sense it when I don't slink.

    Re: mercy usage: I also have dispatched rabid or injured animals of all sizes in my travels. So far, I've talked my way out of shooting bears and large cats, although I suspect my firm posture may have something to do with that in the same ways thugs don't see me as a sheep. I don't bug mamma bear if she stays away, nor do I run myself and ring the dinner bell.

    Re: waspspray: actually, only a lawyer would find that as "assault" while defending an attack -- it's perfectly logical that you have wasp spray in your coach, and that it was the first thing your fingers found when you were attacked. However, while wasp spray is unpleasant, it would NOT stop a 250lb wasp, so it seems pointless to me.

    Personally, I have a permanently dirty oven, and plan to clean it whatever morning after I need to use Sleazy-Off to repel an invader. Who can deny my oven needs cleaning? I don't start attacks, but I do finish them.

    For whoever said it, NO, you do NOT want a cloud-type bug-spray... imagine macing yourself inside the enclosed space of your RV. Not smart.

    Re: Crimson trace : I have exactly this product on many of my sidearms, but I don't recommend it. A forward laser indicates your position long before you can laze the target, so it's bad tactics. I much prefer a tiny backward-projected holographic sight -- no light seen from the front, and an easy to place floating red spot from the user-side. Point and Click!

    I've been a bit tongue in cheek with some of this, and firearm usage is CERTAINLY my last resort... but it is a reality of life that not everyone wishes you well. Just like deciding whether boondocking is worth the extra preparation, only you can decide whether a modest chance of being killed is worth staying prepared to avert that. I find capability comforting, not paranoid, but you can feel and act otherwise, and maybe I'll be able to help in time when you scream.

    So as Roosevelt said, I like to... "first speak softly, but carry a big stick."

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  35. Better to have one and not need it, than to need one and not have it...

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  36. Have not heard of many instances where a gun stopped crime? That is because the liberal media does not report it. The best protection is to not advertise that you have a concealed weapon. Second, be mentally trained and ready to protect your family and yourself. Haven't had to protect yourself. You are lucky. Evil exists.

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  37. For those who're opposed to carrying a gun themselves, it's entirely your own choice. But, do you have a spare tire? Why? Do you have fire extinguishers in your RV? Why? After all, you may never need those either. When you do need them, they're awfully nice to have handy.

    I never look for trouble and avoid it as much as possible but, when the bad actors come to call on me they'll wish they hadn't and if it happens to be you they call on, when I'm nearby, maybe you'll change your mind after I "invite" them to leave you alone.

    Make your own choices but allow me to make mine.

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  38. RE the person who said they have not heard any positive outcomes from gun owners, look in any of the NRA publications and look for the page called the armed citizen.

    I feel the percentages quoted in the magazine may be high but not by much. Most of those who choose to be armed do not advertise it and one of the things stressed in my CCL classes was not to advertise it.

    For those who don't want a pistol an option would be a 410 shotgun with some self protection type ammo.

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  39. I grew up with guns in the house and in all the houses of my friends. You see, my father was a Police Officer in a major metropolitan city. My friends were almost all children of cops, detectives or firemen. They had guns in their homes, too.

    We traveled a LOT when I was growing up, and in fact, I had been to 48 states by the time I was 16 years old and had NEVER been in an airplane. We had an RV of some sort all my childhood years. Even back then, in the late 60's, throughout the 70's and into the early 80's, there were weapons on board our camper. We knew where they were, and we knew how to use them and more importantly, we knew to RESPECT them. When we went to Canada, we had a long gun, instead of a pistol, on board. We NEVER traveled without a weapon.

    Even back then, Bob, firearms were carried in RVs. We didn't announce it then, and we don't announce it now, but there's always a firearm in our RV.

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